About the 959's Euro Exhaust

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Discussion Starter · Nov 19, 2015

Ducati has unleashed a wave of confusion after EICMA. It seems they haven't done a particularly good job of distinguishing between the two different, market specific exhausts.

We're here to talk about the Euro lateral cannon exhaust.

The new exhaust is in direct response to the new Euro 4 regulations constraining all manufacturers who wish to sell products in Europe:

Euro4

2016: New bike emission demands (CO 1.14 THC 0.17 NOx 0.09)
2016: ABS on new models required
2016: emission reading OBD
2016: Charcoal canister (Ask Cali 899 owners about how good it works)
2016: Changed values and methods for noise and emissions tests

And it's not going to get any better in the Old World:

Euro5

2017: Emission demands from Euro4 applies to all new bikes(old models)
2017: ABS demand (new bikes,old models)

Euro6

2020: Emission demands tighter (particle cleaning included) CO 1.00 / THC 0.10 / NOx 0.060 / Particles 0.0045*
2020: 80dB .... yes, 80dB. the 899 will be a king of history.
2020: demanded OBD to alarm for faulty emissions (lambda light)

Unfortunately for most shoppers outside of North America and Australia there seems to be very few ways to work around the presumably quieter exhaust. The shot-gun exits have their own aluminium silencers inside them, but the real hold up is the stainless steel pre-silencer that sits under the crank case.

It seems that there will be fewer DIY catalyzer work arounds. In order to get rid of the cat it seems either you must replace the entire exhaust system with something homologated by Akra or Termi or you're looking at fabricating a new pipe where the cat used to be...

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BBBingo

· #2 · Nov 19, 2015

so i guess that means the US spec bike will still have its cats in the underslung cans. You guys see the people who cut open the cans, removed the cats and then welded them back shut ahah

moto

· #3 · Nov 20, 2015

The new exhaust is in direct response to the new Euro 4 regulations constraining all manufacturers who wish to sell products in Europe

Feels like people have VW to thank for this.
Can't really see many people switching out the whole exhaust system as that would cost quite a bit.

BBBingo

· #4 · Nov 20, 2015

moto said:
Feels like people have VW to thank for this.
Can't really see many people switching out the whole exhaust system as that would cost quite a bit.

are you out of your mind?

Euro 4 has been proposed since like 2012 or something...

Joker

· #5 · Nov 22, 2015

Downsides:

The look (Although it is growing on me)

The cans seem to be supported by the pillion pegs making removal of those difficult to impossible.

As I think someone else has said, to revert to an aftermarket under slung system (if available) from Termi or Akrapovic would mean changing the lower fairing panels (both sides?)

Upsides:

Makes a good job of hiding the right side of the swing arm! :wink2:

BBBingo

· #6 · Nov 22, 2015

Joker said:
Downsides:

The look (Although it is growing on me)

The cans seem to be supported by the pillion pegs making removal of those difficult to impossible.

As I think someone else has said, to revert to an aftermarket under slung system (if available) from Termi or Akrapovic would mean changing the lower fairing panels (both sides?)

Upsides:

Makes a good job of hiding the right side of the swing arm! :wink2:

I don't think its that bad either. In fact I wonder if a nice short megaphone might be one way to get the sound without having to remove the cat..

DaveyDork

· #7 · Nov 24, 2015

I wonder how hard it is to gut the cat? Just weld it back up along one of the seams...

Joker

· #8 · Nov 24, 2015

BBBingo said:
I don't think its that bad either. In fact I wonder if a nice short megaphone might be one way to get the sound without having to remove the cat..

Maybe like the original Yoshimura that came as an option on the Gixxer K6 (that wasn't very noise police compliant either!)

VroomVroom

· #9 · Nov 27, 2015

visordown says the biggest hurdle for the exhaust was the noise. It's measured from the center of the bike so the new exhaust will move some of the noise away from the middle of the bike.

First time I've heard of this.

BBBingo

· #10 · Nov 27, 2015

VroomVroom said:
visordown says the biggest hurdle for the exhaust was the noise. It's measured from the center of the bike so the new exhaust will move some of the noise away from the middle of the bike.

First time I've heard of this.

they added sound deadening to the engine internals to cut noise, as well as on the inside of the fairing.

It was a two fold hurdle.

Euro4
2016: New bike emission demands (CO 1.14 THC 0.17 NOx 0.09)
2016: ABS on new models required
2016: emission reading OBD
2016: Charcoal canister (Ask Cali 899 owners about how good it works)
2016: Changed values and methods for noise and emissions tests

A new exhaust would bring emissions in line, but it wouldn't cut noise enough so we got sound deadening and a 14 kg heavier bike...

The new exhaust fulfils two roles. It not only reduces emissions thanks to the extra length and space for a revised catalytic converter but it also moves some of the noise away from the centre of the bike. Knowing this, I looked at the exhaust in a new light. It’s a clever exercise in technical innovation even though the final aesthetic is slightly harder to appreciate.

VroomVroom

· #11 · Nov 30, 2015

It stinks that motorcycle manufacturers have to jump thorough hoops to meet EU noise standards. People are just going to mod it anyways and have it exceed the noise limit. I see the need for the a longer pipe due to the emissions standard but that 14 kg just for sound deadening...

BBBingo

· #12 · Nov 30, 2015

VroomVroom said:
It stinks that motorcycle manufacturers have to jump thorough hoops to meet EU noise standards. People are just going to mod it anyways and have it exceed the noise limit. I see the need for the a longer pipe due to the emissions standard but that 14 kg just for sound deadening...

no. the bike gained 14kg over the 899.

7kg from exhaust system
7kg from sound deadening...

You'll never shed all that 14 kg even if you swap out exhaust and scrape the sound deadener off the fairing.

moto

· #13 · Dec 6, 2015

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Just found 2 close up pictures of the underslung exhaust and it looks like it's going to be a pain to change out the European one for this one.

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corsa

· #14 · Dec 9, 2015

Won't be easy but it's going to be worth it. I rather do that.

elements018

· #15 · Oct 14, 2016

Does anybody know what DB levels the euro exhaust is producing for static testing?

Dingo

· #16 · Oct 15, 2016

@elements018 - is it in the manual?

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