[TexasHeat]

Ended up going with a Frankenstein method. Got a 1199 header pipe, 899 mufflers, and a 1299 up map for it to all be correct and run right.

https://youtu.be/I9Jw8XuqLn4

https://youtu.be/q7t1z_dFXW8

 

[sinjin]

Ended up going with a Frankenstein method. Got a 1199 header pipe, 899 mufflers, and a 1299 up map for it to all be correct and run right.

https://youtu.be/I9Jw8XuqLn4

https://youtu.be/q7t1z_dFXW8

If you used the upmap key that came with an exhaust, then all you did was unlock the race or EVO map that is stored in the ECU when delivered. The race map for slipon and EVO for full.

By 899 exhaust, do you mean you put on a Termignoni instead of the Akrapovic?

If so, the map on the ECU is tuned for a different AFR than what is really going on with your bike and the engine output will not be optimal.

 

[TexasHeat]

I put on the termignoni slip on mufflers for the 899. And the termignoni header for the 1199.

 

[DarR]

Ended up going with a Frankenstein method. Got a 1199 header pipe, 899 mufflers, and a 1299 up map for it to all be correct and run right.
https://youtu.be/I9Jw8XuqLn4
https://youtu.be/q7t1z_dFXW8

Holly Molly! Why doesn't Termi offer this?
1) Could you post some part numbers for us please?
2) What heat shield is that?

Well Done. You've just been nominated for the Ducati Mod Rock Star award.

P.S. Why not use a RapidBike unit or equivalent for better fuel map?

 

[DarR]

I put on the termignoni slip on mufflers for the 899. And the termignoni header for the 1199.

Why couldn't you have used the 1199 slip-on also?
such as this kit?
Termignoni Ducati Panigale Titanium/Steel Full Exhaust System 1199/1199S

 

[sinjin]

Why couldn't you have used the 1199 slip-on also?
such as this kit?
Termignoni Ducati Panigale Titanium/Steel Full Exhaust System 1199/1199S

There is no difference between the 899 and the 1199 exhaust.

The only difference between all the kits are as follows:
899 - slipon, upmap key for 899 ECU
1199 RACE - slipon, upmap key for RACE maps on ECU
1199 EVO - full system (headers and slipon), upmap key for EVO maps

So basically this is the full Termignoni system and the Akrapovic fuel mapping.

I would have gone with the front exit Termignoni full system instead which likely flows more similarly to the Akrapovic than the legacy Termignoni.

The 899 does not have a full system specifically designed for it because the headers flow well in relation to the engine output and slipon exhaust. The improvement would be minimal and the only benefit comes from installing the Akrapovic titanium system which lowers the weight.

In all, the stock exhaust on the Panigale flows extremely well so you will not see HP or torque gains like you do on a Yamaha, for example. Smoothing out the torque curve is the most prominent gain you will notice.

 

[TexasHeat]

Holly Molly! Why doesn't Termi offer this?
1) Could you post some part numbers for us please?
2) What heat shield is that?

Well Done. You've just been nominated for the Ducati Mod Rock Star award.

P.S. Why not use a RapidBike unit or equivalent for better fuel map?

Thanks man. I will look up the parts and post them. The heat shield is a OEM from the 1299. I went with the 1299 up map because my buddy from Ducati had one and gave it to me. I haven't thought about other ones to go with. The 899 mufflers are the same as the 1199 as far as compatibility goes. Over all my cost for these parts were significantly lower than others due to having a friend that works at Ducati. They sometimes come across parts that are new in the box that were from promotions or owners not wanting them installed on special order bikes.

 

[DarR]

No need to look-up part numbers as you just confirmed that the Termi kit previously posted would fit.
It would also be interesting to see dyno charts should you choose to go that route.
It's a very interesting mod alternative, that's for sure.

 

[D-StyleNZL]

Just remember, the 1199/1299 upmaps wont work on the 959 ECU

 

[TexasHeat]

Actually the local Ducati shop has a dyno day from time to time. So I plan on seeing what the numbers are. I will for sure post them soon as I get in on the next one that comes up.

 

[TexasHeat]

Seems it worked on mine. So did the up map just unlock everything else? Not sure now if I should double check and make sure I'm not running to rich or lean. I'll check back with my buddy and get back to you. Just so we are sure in this, where are you getting this information about the 1299 up map not working on the ecu? I hope I'm not coming off wrong as we all know text without time can be misunderstood. Gonna call and chat with him but want to have some facts before I question his methods being how he is the lead mechanic for Ducati. Just don't want to offend anyone. I'm not by any means a mechanic and this is my first ducati. All others were Japan made bikes. Thanks in advance.

 

[sinjin]

Seems it worked on mine. So did the up map just unlock everything else? Not sure now if I should double check and make sure I'm not running to rich or lean. I'll check back with my buddy and get back to you. Just so we are sure in this, where are you getting this information about the 1299 up map not working on the ecu? I hope I'm not coming off wrong as we all know text without time can be misunderstood. Gonna call and chat with him but want to have some facts before I question his methods being how he is the lead mechanic for Ducati. Just don't want to offend anyone. I'm not by any means a mechanic and this is my first ducati. All others were Japan made bikes. Thanks in advance.

The 899 and 1199 upmap keys that came with the exhaust kits for the bikes were mutually exclusive in that the upmap that came in the 1199 slipon kit would not unlock the 899. This might still be the case with the 959 and 1299.

The way to tell is when you first key on the bike and it goes through the priming stages, it should say either RACE or EVO in the lower left in big letters. Not to be confused with the small Mode identifier race, sport, or wet. If it is RACE, then it is the slipon map and EVO means it is using the full.

 

[sinjin]

Here is a picture of the dash with the slipon RACE map activated:

 

[TexasHeat]

Thank you for letting me know. Mine does say EVO in big letters at the key turn. I will post a quick video today showing it just to be sure. If you have the time to take a look to confirm I would appreciate it.

 

[sinjin]

Thank you for letting me know. Mine does say EVO in big letters at the key turn. I will post a quick video today showing it just to be sure. If you have the time to take a look to confirm I would appreciate it.

By this account, I expect that the full exhaust map in your ECU has been activated. If you want to attach a picture, I will take a look... no need for a video as YouTube is frowned upon here.

So here is what is going on with your bike and to clear up some confusion on the upmap, etc.

Ducati put the bike together and installed the free flowing Akrapovic on the 959 and reasonably tuned the bike - this map is locked in the ECU as RACE with the same done on a full system locked as EVO.

They then removed it and installed what is stock with the cats and detuned the engine to meet environmental requirements with dips in the RPM range where it is mostly tested for smog.

When you buy the Race or Evo kit, you are essentially putting it back to where it was on the test bike. The reason a tune or RapidBike is better is because every bike is different following the break in, filter, and engine assembly.

What YOUR ECU is expecting is the Akrapovic full system and the flow rate it provides. However, it now has the Termi kit from the 1199 which may have a slightly different flow rate. You are definately seeing improvements, but not ideal.

 

[dougo1199]

I was under the impression the 1199 pipes were smaller in diameter than the 959, and that the 1299 were compatible with the 959, is this not the case?

 

[able duc]

Mine has full Akra and has RACE EVO displayed at key on.

 

[able duc]

I was under the impression the 1199 pipes were smaller in diameter than the 959, and that the 1299 were compatible with the 959, is this not the case?

Yes
1199 and 899 same
959 and 1299 same and 60mm
I put a full stock 1299 system on my 899
Not sure about aftermarket

 

[sinjin]

I was under the impression the 1199 pipes were smaller in diameter than the 959, and that the 1299 were compatible with the 959, is this not the case?

Stock 1199 might be smaller than the 959 / 1299, however the full Termignoni RACE kit is 70mm so it will flow better than stock 1299 pipes.

Not sure about the size of the full Akrapovic - though, the Akrapovic are titanium, whereas the Termignoni are stainless. They are definately >= 70mm, mind you.

Either way, the 959 most likely isn't nearly choking compared to the 1299 with stock sized headers.

 

[959hooligan]

how was mounting?