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Ok, maybe I'm mixing things up here, but I think I've read at least more than a couple of times that the V-twins have a lot of torque on the 959? Don't know if it's just me, but my previous bike (XSR900/FZ09) felt like it had more torque than the Pani. Pinning the throttle on that bike felt like you were going in hyperspace lol. It actually felt like the faster bike (but logically I know the 959 is faster, it just may not feel like it).

On the Pani's defense, my XSR also felt faster than my 2014cbr1000rr (but I know it really isnt).

Ok, just rambling here haha. Still loving my Pani ;)
 

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Ok, maybe I'm mixing things up here, but I think I've read at least more than a couple of times that the V-twins have a lot of torque on the 959? Don't know if it's just me, but my previous bike (XSR900/FZ09) felt like it had more torque than the Pani. Pinning the throttle on that bike felt like you were going in hyperspace lol. It actually felt like the faster bike (but logically I know the 959 is faster, it just may not feel like it).

On the Pani's defense, my XSR also felt faster than my 2014cbr1000rr (but I know it really isnt).

Ok, just rambling here haha. Still loving my Pani ;)
Make sure you have it in RACE mode. If you are in SPORT mode, the throttle response is more gradual and you won't have the immediate power delivery that the bike is capable of.
 

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Race mode is just a gimmick just twist the throttle more in sport!

The panigale is all about revs - it isn’t a conventional twin.

The 999 of a similar capacity monsters it for low end torque but the modem Ducati sportsbikes Rev way higher and that’s where they make their power.
 

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Indeed. You can make all of your modes have 'high' power and 'high' throttle response and only adjust the traction control higher to intervene earlier in wet mode, for example.

I just kept mine the default and tweak the race mode settings accordingly.
 

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IMO, the 959 has the most linear power bands of any Ducati I've owned. It has usable torque through the entire power band, and doesn't hit really hard anywhere. It's a very friendly street bike that's a blast to ride. You'll love this bike coming hard out of a corner! I have my engine mode set on Race / High
 

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Race mode is just a gimmick just twist the throttle more in sport!

The panigale is all about revs - it isn’t a conventional twin.

The 999 of a similar capacity monsters it for low end torque but the modem Ducati sportsbikes Rev way higher and that’s where they make their power.
Not sure if you're joking, but there is definitely a difference in engine / performance characteristics between Sport and Race modes.
 

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To those that were asking, yeap I was in race mode as well. I looked at the torque curve of a stock 959 vs fz09, and while the 959 has a higher peak torque, the fz is more linear and starts higher..

From 2k rpms on, it is around 50 lb ft and doesn't get any lower lol, peaks at around 60 lb ft..
The pani at 3500 rpms has about 20 ft lbs, and @ 7500rpms, it's around 55 ft lbs.. So this probably explains why my XSR felt faster in practically any gear. It doesn't have much once you get closer to tripple digits, but it's pretty scary below that.

Here's where I got the dyno numbers from (didn't check how accurate they were though lol, i just looked at the first match i saw)

FZ09: https://www.cycleworld.com/2015/12/...e-dyno-run-video-and-performance-chart#page-2

The pani: https://jalopnik.com/ride-review-the-2016-ducati-959-panigale-is-the-sportb-1746775611
 

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Not sure if you're joking, but there is definitely a difference in engine / performance characteristics between Sport and Race modes.
I replied with an identical response, however I deleted it after thinking that it had to be a joke... I was interested to see if I was just taking it too literally.
 
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To those that were asking, yeap I was in race mode as well. I looked at the torque curve of a stock 959 vs fz09, and while the 959 has a higher peak torque, the fz is more linear and starts higher..

From 2k rpms on, it is around 50 lb ft and doesn't get any lower lol, peaks at around 60 lb ft..
The pani at 3500 rpms has about 20 ft lbs, and @ 7500rpms, it's around 55 ft lbs.. So this probably explains why my XSR felt faster in practically any gear. It doesn't have much once you get closer to tripple digits, but it's pretty scary below that.

Here's where I got the dyno numbers from (didn't check how accurate they were though lol, i just looked at the first match i saw)

FZ09: https://www.cycleworld.com/2015/12/...e-dyno-run-video-and-performance-chart#page-2

The pani: https://jalopnik.com/ride-review-the-2016-ducati-959-panigale-is-the-sportb-1746775611
You answered your question with the correct method, but to be fair, the Panigale is still a supersport and is meant to be reved, even if it isn't I4 rev-happy.

No doubt that the FZ09/XSR is going to have more torque than a Panigale at a given low rev range, but if you compare powerband vs powerband, it quickly becomes unfair and the true "torque monster" of the Panigale comes out. Different powerbands for different applications.


Now the best comparison to showcase the torque of a V-twin engine would be to directly compare say a 1299 to a R1/RS4V/etc..


See: https://www.altontobey.org/what-you-need-to-know-about-ducati

These are power so it doesn't show torque directly, but the increase in torque shows itself with more power across the range. You can see that in this more evenly matched comparison, that the V-twins don't rev as much as others and it dies off at 11k RPM, but has more torque (and thus power) at lower revs.
 
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Panigale 959 / Yamaha FZ09 Dyno Charts

From 2k rpms on, it is around 50 lb ft and doesn't get any lower lol, peaks at around 60 lb ft..
The pani at 3500 rpms has about 20 ft lbs, and @ 7500rpms, it's around 55 ft lbs..
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On the same Dyno as used for the Yamaha:
The Panigale at 3500 rpm has about 55 ft lbs and @7500 rpm it's 60 ft lbs and higher thereafter.

In all fairness, considering the Panigale's torque curve under 3k rpm is pointless as the 959 idles at 2000 rpm.
Even then, it still produces 50 ft lbs at 3000 rpm and never looks back beyond that.
Most importantly, the 959 doesn't drops it's torque in any significant way below redline.

2016 Panigale 959 Cycleworld Dyno chart
2016 Yamaha FZ09 Cycleworld Dyno chart
 

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I had an opportunity to ride an XRS 900 for a day and loved it. If I was looking for an "All Rounder / Commuter", It would definitely be my 1rst choice.
Moreover, it's very "Monster like" in many respects where I eventually purchased the big Monster for it's "Badass" characteristics.
Yamaha XRS 900 vs Monster 821 (CycleNews).
However, If I had to choose between the Monster 821 and the Yamaha XRS900 having ridden both extensively, I'd pick the Yamaha.
 

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Race mode is just a gimmick just twist the throttle more in sport!

The panigale is all about revs - it isn’t a conventional twin.

The 999 of a similar capacity monsters it for low end torque but the modem Ducati sportsbikes Rev way higher and that’s where they make their power.
Not sure if you're joking, but there is definitely a difference in engine / performance characteristics between Sport and Race modes.
Yeah there is a definite difference in engine charachter. It opens the butterfly’s more for less twist. It doesn’t make the bike any faster though, just more responsive throttle map in lower openings..
 

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Yeah there is a definite difference in engine charachter. It opens the butterfly’s more for less twist. It doesn’t make the bike any faster though, just more responsive throttle map in lower openings..
Yeah, maybe not faster in overall top speed, but definitely quicker. :grin2:
 
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I just looked at pics of what this XSR or FZ09 looks like - and I have to say it’s comparing Apples to Mangos with regard to the Panigale. If you want more pull from the Panigale then change the gearing. It’ll happily oblige to give it to you!


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Yeah there is a definite difference in engine charachter. It opens the butterfly’s more for less twist. It doesn’t make the bike any faster though, just more responsive throttle map in lower openings..
Throttle response was exactly what I referred to in my post. Not sure where you got the impression anyone was talking about faster or slower comparing SPORT and RACE modes.
 

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About the speed comparo between the Panigale 959 and the Yamaha 900:
The Panigale is much faster in both acceleration and top speed having both more Torque and HP across the charts.
You simply just don't feel it on the Panigale because of the forward riding position.
Conversely, the Yamaha being an upright ergo bike, there's more tug on your arms which makes it feel like it's faster but in reality, it's not.

The Yamaha is also wheelie prone making it more difficult to accelerate. As I previously mentioned; "Very Monster like". >:)
 

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