thanks man thats some good info
Wheelie Experience !
Hey Guys!
After getting about 1700 miles on my bike I decided to try clutch up wheelies on Tuesday this week because I'm sure you all know from riding, but the 959 has a way of really urging their riders to push it just a bit more, and in regards to wheelies in a good way!
From what I learned, DTC does has a way of affecting wheelies; around DTC 3, the wheel comes up (few inches), but is quickly put down from the TC engaging, 1-2 the wheel comes up a bit more maybe (5-8inches) if you really hit the rpm sweet spot but is difficult to carry out. With DTC completely off, the wheel comes up everytime the clutch is held long enough, and enough throttle is given.
I was doing clutch ups in first gear to just get familiar with things on this bike, and after about 10 minutes of playing with rpm ranges I found that a rolling start in 1st gear at around 4.5-5k rpms then holding the clutch in til about 7k - 8k consistently got the bike up to a higher than 45 degree angle. I only worked on this for an hour but on a slight incline/decline road (hard to find straights in California where I live), but I found that popping the clutch (letting the clutch out) at 8k rpm with a 5k rpm start generally got me to balance point a lot faster, and popping the clutch at around 7k made for a lesser angle (higher than 45 degrees BUT easier to carry for a good 50-100ft .
I'll be trying to experiment in 2nd gear come Friday morn so I'll keep you updated on my progress with wheelies on this bike! Please share information that you all have gathered , and if you have any questions I'll try to do my best to answer them ! This is my first time working strictly on wheelies with this bike.
CHEERS!
Laughin' Wolf
After getting about 1700 miles on my bike I decided to try clutch up wheelies on Tuesday this week because I'm sure you all know from riding, but the 959 has a way of really urging their riders to push it just a bit more, and in regards to wheelies in a good way!
From what I learned, DTC does has a way of affecting wheelies; around DTC 3, the wheel comes up (few inches), but is quickly put down from the TC engaging, 1-2 the wheel comes up a bit more maybe (5-8inches) if you really hit the rpm sweet spot but is difficult to carry out. With DTC completely off, the wheel comes up everytime the clutch is held long enough, and enough throttle is given.
I was doing clutch ups in first gear to just get familiar with things on this bike, and after about 10 minutes of playing with rpm ranges I found that a rolling start in 1st gear at around 4.5-5k rpms then holding the clutch in til about 7k - 8k consistently got the bike up to a higher than 45 degree angle. I only worked on this for an hour but on a slight incline/decline road (hard to find straights in California where I live), but I found that popping the clutch (letting the clutch out) at 8k rpm with a 5k rpm start generally got me to balance point a lot faster, and popping the clutch at around 7k made for a lesser angle (higher than 45 degrees BUT easier to carry for a good 50-100ft .
I'll be trying to experiment in 2nd gear come Friday morn so I'll keep you updated on my progress with wheelies on this bike! Please share information that you all have gathered , and if you have any questions I'll try to do my best to answer them ! This is my first time working strictly on wheelies with this bike.
CHEERS!
Laughin' Wolf
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2nd and 3rd gear are no problem...
That side, I'm running a 14t front...
That side, I'm running a 14t front...
I've never tried to clutch wheelie the 959. But I've had it go nearly vertical using nothing but the throttle in first gear. Freaked me the **** out. Now I'm a bit more cautious with the throttle in lower gears. =/
I've found that clutching up is a lot less aggressive thankfully! I've throttl'd a few wheelies, but nothing insane like 12 o'clock... I could only imagine!I've never tried to clutch wheelie the 959. But I've had it go nearly vertical using nothing but the throttle in first gear. Freaked me the **** out. Now I'm a bit more cautious with the throttle in lower gears. =/
I haven't tried 2nd or 3rd yet! Is that all clutch or what?2nd and 3rd gear are no problem...
That side, I'm running a 14t front...
The DTC thing is the biggest killjoy of wheelies that I've found. : /
Yeah I've clutched them all.I haven't tried 2nd or 3rd yet! Is that all clutch or what?
You can do the old second gear power wheelies if you load the forks but clutch is your best bet.
I haven't been able to power up a wheelie on a flat road even with short gearing...
Yeah, it was definitely a surprise. I think the road had a sudden decline, and that was enough to throw the bike up in the air. Took a second to reflect on that before I started laughing and grinning.I've found that clutching up is a lot less aggressive thankfully! I've throttl'd a few wheelies, but nothing insane like 12 o'clock... I could only imagine!
My DTC is set to 3 (default race setting), and I thought that would be enough to keep throttle wheelies from happening. I guess I was wrong. But I guess the road condition that I mentioned might have overpowered it.
I'm trying something different for awhile with Riding Modes and Settings.
While in town, I'm normally in Sports Mode where the settings are: Engine MED / EBC 2 / DTC 5 / ABS 2.
However, I like having DTC in Race Mode ( my bike defaults to DTC 3 although the manual states default is DTC 2). It's also a pain having to change the parameters and shutting DTC off. Moreover, with DTC off, the amber light is now on permanently, is eye sore and I feel guilty.
Since I don't ride in rain and don't use the WET Mode, I've change its parameters to: Engine HIGH / EBC 1/ DTC - / ABS 1
WET Mode now stands for "Wheeli-E-Time".
While in town, I'm normally in Sports Mode where the settings are: Engine MED / EBC 2 / DTC 5 / ABS 2.
However, I like having DTC in Race Mode ( my bike defaults to DTC 3 although the manual states default is DTC 2). It's also a pain having to change the parameters and shutting DTC off. Moreover, with DTC off, the amber light is now on permanently, is eye sore and I feel guilty.
Since I don't ride in rain and don't use the WET Mode, I've change its parameters to: Engine HIGH / EBC 1/ DTC - / ABS 1
WET Mode now stands for "Wheeli-E-Time".
Turn off ebc in hooligan mode, you'll be smoother when you're riding out your wheelies
Seems like you're saying that I should have less engine braking. If that's correct, then I should crank-up the EBC to 3..right?Turn off ebc in hooligan mode, you'll be smoother when you're riding out your wheelies
Off is the least engine braking.
My hooligan mode is - - 2
Hooligan level: expert
My hooligan mode is - - 2
Hooligan level: expert
This is the most counter-intuitive of the mode maps, because EBC off is no engine braking control, while EBC 1 is the highest amount of engine braking, EBC 2 is medium engine braking and EBC 3 is the least amount of computer intervention for engine braking without going completely EBC off altogether.Seems like you're saying that I should have less engine braking. If that's correct, then I should crank-up the EBC to 3..right?
Without further confusing him, just agree to turn it off..This is the most counter-intuitive of the mode maps, because EBC off is no engine braking control, while EBC 1 is the highest amount of engine braking, EBC 2 is medium engine braking and EBC 3 is the least amount of computer intervention for engine braking without going completely EBC off altogether.
EBC Off = the most engine braking (ie, control is off)
EBC 3= the least engine braking
EBC 3= the least engine braking
Denis,EBC Off = the most engine braking (ie, control is off)
EBC 3= the least engine braking
I swear to Aeisha, OFF = least engine braking.
<3
-Kevin
My position isn't theoretical, I've used all of the settings to learn firsthand, man.
I tried to interpret the owner's manual's, "logic."
Then I just fucking used them all to see... lol
I tried to interpret the owner's manual's, "logic."
Then I just fucking used them all to see... lol
@Kevin.H
I don't agree and neither does Ducati. Look up page 71 of the owner's manual.
Here's a snippet:
EBC FEATURE DEFAULT
OFF Maximum engine brake
1 Rather important engine brake, but less than that It is the default level for all Riding obtained with EBC OFF
2 Very low engine brake, recommended only for track use and for riders requiring a low engine brake when decelerating
3 Minimum engine brake, recommended only for track use and for riders preferring a very low engine brake when decelerating
I don't agree and neither does Ducati. Look up page 71 of the owner's manual.
Here's a snippet:
EBC FEATURE DEFAULT
OFF Maximum engine brake
1 Rather important engine brake, but less than that It is the default level for all Riding obtained with EBC OFF
2 Very low engine brake, recommended only for track use and for riders requiring a low engine brake when decelerating
3 Minimum engine brake, recommended only for track use and for riders preferring a very low engine brake when decelerating
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