Wheelie Experience !

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Laughing_Wolf

Discussion Starter · Jun 30, 2016

Hey Guys!

After getting about 1700 miles on my bike I decided to try clutch up wheelies on Tuesday this week because I'm sure you all know from riding, but the 959 has a way of really urging their riders to push it just a bit more, and in regards to wheelies in a good way!

From what I learned, DTC does has a way of affecting wheelies; around DTC 3, the wheel comes up (few inches), but is quickly put down from the TC engaging, 1-2 the wheel comes up a bit more maybe (5-8inches) if you really hit the rpm sweet spot but is difficult to carry out. With DTC completely off, the wheel comes up everytime the clutch is held long enough, and enough throttle is given.

I was doing clutch ups in first gear to just get familiar with things on this bike, and after about 10 minutes of playing with rpm ranges I found that a rolling start in 1st gear at around 4.5-5k rpms then holding the clutch in til about 7k - 8k consistently got the bike up to a higher than 45 degree angle. I only worked on this for an hour but on a slight incline/decline road (hard to find straights in California where I live), but I found that popping the clutch (letting the clutch out) at 8k rpm with a 5k rpm start generally got me to balance point a lot faster, and popping the clutch at around 7k made for a lesser angle (higher than 45 degrees BUT easier to carry for a good 50-100ft .

I'll be trying to experiment in 2nd gear come Friday morn so I'll keep you updated on my progress with wheelies on this bike! Please share information that you all have gathered , and if you have any questions I'll try to do my best to answer them ! This is my first time working strictly on wheelies with this bike.

CHEERS!

Laughin' Wolf

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DarR

· #41 · Jul 27, 2017 (Edited)

dougo1199 said:
That's interesting. I run in Race / High but have the TC on 3 for a safety cushion coming out of corners. I don't think mine will pull up in 2nd on a flat surface w/ TC on 3.

Neither did mine in 2nd until I disabled the TC. I'm sure going -1F helped a lot.
Moreover, even in high power engine mode with TC disabled, it won't come up in 2nd accidentally on power alone on the first twist.
You have to work the throttle where the rocking effect will make it come up on the second rebound following a fork compression.

Of course, this is just FYI trivia information. If you really want to wheelie this bike, it's probably a lot easier just clutching it up for those other than me that have that skill set.

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Helishmeli

· #42 · Sep 11, 2019

Does all this info hold for an 899 as well? I know the clutch on an 899 is different than the one on a 959.

Additionally, if DTC kills a wheelie will the yellow light come on? I thought I had a little 1-inch wheelie today but no DTC light (this happened on DTC set to 5 without any clutch)

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teethoflove

· #43 · Sep 24, 2019

This is such useful information but at the end of the day i'm still terrified of dropping the bike hahaha.

lifted the front a few times by accident,

not really sure whether or not to ride out the lift quick shift or pause for a second then hammer down on the throttle again?

On the other hand i'll beat on the 15 year old honda i have with no problem (still suck at wheelies though)

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DarR

· #44 · Sep 24, 2019

Following two years and a bit since my last post on the topic, I've come to appreciate how planted the 959 to prevent wheelies and gain acceleration in the process. Take my Monster 1200R for example. It has more HP and a lot more Torque yet with its arm stretching pull it's not faster than a 959 both in the short and long end of a drag. This is because you just can't keep the front wheel down. Get on the gas in 2nd coming out of a tight turn and you can literally loop it. However, wheelies are part of the charm of a Monster.

Notwithstanding, the 959 will wheelie like there's no tomorrow provided that you're willing to have that Amber "TC Off" light staring you in the face. It's just not the easiest bike to learn to wheelie safely and comfortably as it comes down hard.

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teethoflove

· #45 · Sep 24, 2019

DarR said:
Following two years and a bit since my last post on the topic, I've come to appreciate how planted the 959 to prevent wheelies and gain acceleration in the process. Take my Monster 1200R for example. It has more HP and a lot more Torque yet with its arm stretching pull it's not faster than a 959 both in the short and long end of a drag. This is because you just can't keep the front wheel down. Get on the gas in 2nd coming out of a tight turn and you can literally loop it. However, wheelies are part of the charm of a Monster.

Notwithstanding, the 959 will wheelie like there's no tomorrow provided that you're willing to have that Amber "TC Off" light staring you in the face. It's just not the easiest bike to learn to wheelie safely and comfortably as it comes down hard.

in comparison between the two,

would you say the 959 comes down harder due to it not having front ohlins, where as the 1200r does?

can you shift up, out of the wheelie and give it some beans, so it doesnt come down as hard?

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DarR

· #46 · Sep 24, 2019

teethoflove said:
in comparison between the two,
would you say the 959 comes down harder due to it not having front ohlins, where as the 1200r does?
can you shift up, out of the wheelie and give it some beans, so it doesnt come down as hard?

The 959 comes down harder because your weigh distribution is forward. Thus, you have to manage that where not as much on an upright bike such as the Monster. Although I can ride it out smoothly, I don't lift it high enough to shift into 3rd.

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Helishmeli

· #47 · Sep 24, 2019

DarR said:
The 959 comes down harder because your weigh distribution is forward. Thus, you have to manage that where not as much on an upright bike such as the Monster.

I thought people sit further back for wheelies on a panigale, and thus wouldn't that normalize weight distribution between 959 and 1200?

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DarR

· #48 · Sep 25, 2019

I've pm'ed you

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sor3765

· #49 · Oct 1, 2019

So Im guessing the final decision on the adjustment is

Engine: Med
EBC: 3
DTC: -
ABS: 2

Am I right???

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albertkhry

· #50 · 2 mo ago

Laughing_Wolf said:
Hey Guys! After getting about 1700 miles on my bike I decided to try clutch up wheelies on Tuesday this week because I'm sure you all know from riding, but the 959 has a way of really urging their riders to push it just a bit more, and in regards to wheelies in a good way! From what I learned, DTC does has a way of affecting wheelies; around DTC 3, the wheel comes up (few inches), but is quickly put down from the TC engaging, 1-2 the wheel comes up a bit more maybe (5-8inches) if you really hit the rpm sweet spot but is difficult to carry out. With DTC completely off, the wheel comes up everytime the clutch is held long enough, and enough throttle is given. I was doing clutch ups in first gear to just get familiar with things on this bike, and after about 10 minutes of playing with rpm ranges I found that a rolling start in 1st gear at around 4.5-5k rpms then holding the clutch in til about 7k - 8k consistently got the bike up to a higher than 45 degree angle. I only worked on this for an hour but on a slight incline/decline road (hard to find straights in California where I live), but I found that popping the clutch (letting the clutch out) at 8k rpm with a 5k rpm start generally got me to balance point a lot faster, and popping the clutch at around 7k made for a lesser angle (higher than 45 degrees BUT easier to carry for a good 50-100ft . I'll be trying to experiment in 2nd gear come Friday morn so I'll keep you updated on my progress with wheelies on this bike! Please share information that you all have gathered , and if you have any questions I'll try to do my best to answer them ! This is my first time working strictly on wheelies with this bike. CHEERS! Laughin' Wolf

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albertkhry

· #51 · 2 mo ago

Yess let us know about second gear!!

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